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Mel: Islam confuses RIDDA Wars with political Rivalry! [Video]

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Mel: Islam confuses RIDDA Wars with political Rivalry!

Mel is back again, asking yet more questions concerning the authenticity of the Islamic Traditions, what we call the ‘Standard Islamic Narrative’ (SIN).

He asks whether the Ridda Wars (known also as the ‘apostasy wars’ in the Standard Islamic Narrative) ever happened? According to the SIN these battles took place immediately following the death of the prophet Muhammad, between 632-636 AD, as Islam sought to enforce the return of those who had left Islam following the prophet’s death.

But 7th century history doesn’t agree that these battles ever occurred for that reason, nor at that time, nor even in that place, Arabia.

According to Dr Parvaneh Pourshariati, in her book “Decline and Fall of the Sasanian Empire”, the accounts by Islam completely confuse the Ridda Apostasy Wars of Arabia with the Political Succession battles of the Sasanian empire following the death of Khusrow II in 628 AD.

His death left a political vacuum which needed to be filled, and these battles all took place mostly along the Euphrates River, in Iraq, between 628 – 630 AD, and not further south in Arabia, between 632 – 636 AD.

Using Sasanian (Persian) accounts, which would have no reason to refer to wrong dates nor wrong places, she found that these battles were never in Arabia, but 100s of miles further north, because Arabia was a desert, with no water, and thus few people.

What’s more, they also happened roughly 4 years earlier than the dates attributed to them by the 8th century Kufan scholar of the Ridda Wars, Sayf ibn Umar in his work entitled “Kitab al-futuh al-kabir wa-l-ridda”, which means ‘The Great book of Conquest and Apostasy’. He places these battles all in Arabia between 632 – 636 AD, as the SIN would have us believe.

Interestingly, al Tabari (d. 923 AD) the Abbasid Tarikh compiler confronts Sayf and stipulates that the Ridda wars took place even later, between 635 – 636 AD, suggesting a biassed theological agenda.

Mel looked at 10 of these battles, taken from Pourshariati’s book to prove just how wrong the Standard Islamic Narrative was concerning the Ridda Wars.

1) Battle of Ubullah: The Sasanian historical account has it in Basra in 628 AD. The Standard Islamic Narrative (SIN) has it in Arabia in 633 AD, thus 4-5 years too late, and 100s of miles too far south.

2) Battle of Dhat al-Salasil: The Sasanians put it in Kuwait, in 629 AD. SIN puts it in Arabia in 633 AD. So 4 years too late, and 100s of miles too far south.

3) Battle of Madhar: The Sasanians put it in Basra, Iraq, in 629-630 AD. SIN has it in Arabia in 633 AD. So 4 years too late, and 100s of miles too far south.

4) Battle of Walajah: The Sasanians place it near As Samawah, Iraq, in 629-630 AD. SIN has it in Arabia in 633 AD. So 3-4 years too late, and 100s of miles too far south.

5) Battle of Ullays: The Sasanians situate it near Al Qadisiyah, Iraq, in 630 AD. SIN has it in Arabia in 633 AD. So 3-4 years too late, and 100s of miles too far south.

6) Battle of Maqr: The Sasanians say it’s near Kufa, Iraq, in 630 AD. SIN has it in Arabia in 633 AD. So 3-4 years too late, and 100s of miles too far south.

7) Battle of Veh Ardashir: The Sasanians stipulate that it’s near Baghdad, Iraq, in 630 AD. SIN has it in Arabia in 634 AD. So 4 years too late, and 100s of miles too far south.

8) Battle of Anbar: The Sasanian historical account has it near Anbar, Iraq, in 630 AD. SIN has it in Arabia in 634 AD. So 4 years too late, and 100s of miles too far south.

9) Battle of Ayn Tamr: The Sasanians say it’s near Ein ut Tamr, Iraq, in 630 AD. SIN has it in Arabia in 634 AD. So 4 years too late, and 100s of miles too far south.

10) Battle of Firaz: The Sasanians suggest it is near Firaz, Iraq, in 630 AD. SIN has it in Arabia in 634 AD. So 4 years too late, and 100s of miles too far south.

Mel suggests that the reason the historical dates are all 4 years earlier may have to do with the real date of the Hijrah, which the SIN uses for its dating system. According to 4 external historical accounts, the “Year of the Saracen Rebellion” (note, not a movement from one place to another) took place in 618 AD, and not in 622 AD as the SIN suggests.

1) The Chinese (651 AD) say it happened 34 years earlier, thus 618 AD.
2) The Samarkand Chronicle (719 AD) refers to the 100th year since it happened, thus 618 AD.
3) The Byzantine Arab Chronicle (741 AD) places it in the 7th year of Heraclius, thus 618 AD.
4) The Hispanic Chronicle (754 AD) also places it in 618 AD.

These are all external sources, which all agree that this was a rebellion, not an immigration, and that it happened in Syria and Iraq, not Arabia.

So, history tells us that these battles were mostly in Iraq, immediately following 628 AD due to political succession struggles, while the SIN says they were between 632-636 AD, due to apostasy, proving that they were at the wrong time and the wrong place, with the wrong people, and for the wrong reasons.

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